Road Safety Advert Using Video Filmed On Fatal Crash

id go partially with your percentages but more 65/35 ....as i think the rider could have done far more towards self preservation in the lead up to the junction as for throwing yourself down the track to prove a point ...point proven ...your a knob ( luv ya really )

 

lost me there proff......why on gods green earth would a car slow down just because he has been overtaken?....i get overtaken plenty in the van and it has no effect on my the speed i continue at ...why would it ? unless of course i floored it and gave chase cos the other driver was being a total dick on the overtake....but slow down????? nah dont get that theory fella.

 

Carnage, if someone slots into a gap in front of me especially a bike, quite often I ease off the throttle to make the gap big again, not saying the car braked etc. Just think in that situation with a junction ahead, a car approaching to turn and the bike going in front of me I would of taken my foot off the throttle.

 

It is interesting that you have come to a similar conclusion as I did when I wrote this on another forum:

Re: This may save a life - very sad indeed
by ninjabob » Tue Sep 09, 2014 2:00 pm

I am going to be a bit controversial here and say I think that court decision was hard on the car driver. Why - because it was a 60mph limit and despite the car driver indicating and being in the filter lane for quite some time the motorcyclist did not attempt to slow down for the potential/obvious hazard (using the rule that most motorcyclists use i.e. that all other vehicles on the road will try and kill you) the motorcyclist continued on at as near as damn it 100mph or 48.88 yards a second. It was said in one article I read that the car driver had seven seconds to see the rider - in that time the motorcyclist would have traveled 7 x 48.88 yards which equals nearly 350 yards. I suspect the car driver looked and the rider was far enough away for his brain to deduce (calculating at normal car speeds (60mph) that he could go ahead with the turn.

Had the motorcyclist been travelling at 60mph would he have had time to take avoiding action or would the car driver have completed the turn in front of him - we will never know.

Awful to watch and for all involved in the subsequent loss of the rider's life.

and a little later:

"Re: This may save a life - very sad indeed
by ninjabob » Tue Sep 09, 2014 11:41 pm

This video has gone "viral" across the biking forums. We are all debating and giving thought to our own riding compared to the eventual outcome of this tragic event. I suspect all of us have had "moments" in our riding history no matter what riding qualifications or the length of time we have been riding where we have though "that wasn't clever" I know I have - one especially always comes to mind and helps me remember that death could be a possibility.

This video reminds me that I am mortal and for that I thank the rider's family for releasing it."

 

I certainly agree with the scenario of another slotting in front of you one backs off a tad to re make the safety zone ..however in this case the rider overtook at speed and continued to move away from the slower moving vehicle he'd
passed ergo the passed driver had no other reason to reduce speed other than for the approaching junction with another oncoming vehicle entering a filter lane ....something the rider really should have acted upon so i see now where your coming from and youve assumed the driver acted accordingly with his veiw of the turning car.

 

I have looked at the car approaching and the way just just pulled across with out stopping and sauntered across the junction does make it seem he assumed nothing was coming. Once again even if he had looked right at the last second when the bike was at the junction he could have stopped

 

Ninjabob do not agree with one thing you have wrote, have you even looked at the video? stop/start it frame by frame? just think you are miles out by your calcualtions

 

You cannot read too much into what you think you see on that video because the wide angle lenses on the sports cameras distort both distance and speed. The Fixer has given us a pretty indisputable fact and that is that the car the rider overtook did not plough into the damaged car because his/her speed was somewhat less than the rider so the riders speed was a factor. The car driver had seven seconds to see the bike so another fact has to be that the rider also had seven seconds to see the car. One thing the video does show if you watch the riders right hand is that he does not back off at all before the junction and does not even cover the brake in anticipation of the car potentially turning across him.

 

Why would the car plough into the accident, he was behind the bike and a car, most likely with ABS, can stop a dam site quicker than a bike...There is no reference to say if the car driver did or not have to do an emergency stop to avoid the accident. So I recon the Fixers indisputable fact is totally irrelevant.

 

By not slowing for an active junction and approaching at a speed that would meet the expectations of other road users he contributed to the collision, regardless of whatever percentages you guys want to guess at!
Two indisputable facts : he was riding too fast for those circumstances!
The car driver was driving and it was accepted that it was without due care!

ABS does not shorten your braking distance in fact it can extend it! All ABS allows; is for you to steer whilst under maximum braking!

 

And I thought that ABC stopped your wheels locking and stopped skidding, but I have now been informed by the fixer that all modern cars are far more dangerous and all the adverts are lies because my car will not stop as fast with this addition. I had best advise the General motors, Toyota, mazda etc that they are all wrong and had better remove ABS straight away and save lives

 

Yes it does stop wheels locking and thus stop skidding, but as i am sure you are aware, locked skidding front wheels cannot steer! "Generally" on a good dry and level road surface it can shorthen braking distances in an emergency but this is because the majority of motorists are unable to effectively brake! Cadence braking extended braking distances to a degree but of course when you released the brake pedal the car steered in the direction of where you had put your steering input! On snow ice, loose gravel etc or a road surface with a poor co-efficent of friction it can extend braking distances!

 

What, you can't change the road condition to suit your argument. The video shows no snow, loose gravel or poor surface - So therefore I am right and you have just confirmed it.

 

Oh its an argument not a discussion! ok you win; feel better now?

I was replying to your generalisation that ABS shortens braking distances nothing to do with the video!

 

I don't really look at the vid, reminds me of my own fragile mortality when riding but this thread has made interesting reading.
Everyone has an opinion whether it is correct or not. What I will say, is that if we all faced this exact situation I wonder how well we would come out of it. Would you back off, try and accelerate hard to get through a narrowing gap, brake hard.........................
So many options, but what one would work?
My own opinion of what would work would have been to not go so damn fast on a road that has these kind of junctions. I do ride quick at times but hand on heart I would not have seen those kinds of speeds on that type of road. Just too many risks.
You can never rely on other road users actions to be spot on so why take the risk. For the adrenaline rush or fun, because you are late?
Sometimes I would follow a few people down the long road between brenzett and Ashford. Speeds would get daft and I would back off. I used to get the odd comment of "what kept you???" But I never felt comfortable at those speeds for the very reason this video shows. It can go so so wrong in the blink of an eye.
Watching that video, at 2:48 he passes the car, the Clio is just in sight. I would have been rolling off the throttle at that point and ready to react. He didn't, the throttle and speed stay absolutely constant, he is relying on the Clio driver being aware of the situation and acting accordingly - you simply cannot rely on that action to be complied with by someone else.
It took less than a second between the throttle being rolled back and brake pulled for the hit to happen - he never gave himself a chance in my opinion.
I put the blame more toward the bike rider. Flame me all you want but that is my opinion.